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MV

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(Msg. 1) Posted: Thu Aug 18, 2005 4:16 am
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Anyone? I know the term is actually quite a broad one these days but taking
what we generally accept to be in the list....you may include those not
"officially" branded verismo in your list too..

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(Msg. 2) Posted: Thu Aug 18, 2005 4:16 am
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i WISH THEY DID MORE OF THESE..BUT A TINY NUMBER OF
SINGERS..DIVAS...COULD DO THEM..Gheorghiu,Gallardo-Domas,...who else?
Without Scotto,Zeani,Olivero,Soviero,etc.....it is impossible to do:

Iris
Zaza (Millo does it in NY in Nov.)
Piccolo Marat
Risurrezione
Cecilia


I love them...CH

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(Msg. 3) Posted: Thu Aug 18, 2005 4:16 am
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From: chelsea.RemoveThis@lvgv.com (MV)

>Anyone? I know the term is actually quite a
> broad one these days

And, therefore, subject to the most absurd nitpickings.

>but taking what we generally accept to be in
>the list....you may include those not "officially"
>branded verismo in your list too..

Fair enough:

Cav and Pag (of course)

Andrea Chenier,
Porgy and Bess
Susannah
Fedora
Eugen Onegin
Streetcar Named Desire

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(Msg. 4) Posted: Thu Aug 18, 2005 4:16 am
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Pick the FOUR that do not belong..................................
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Thu Aug 18, 2005 5:36 am
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>Pick the FOUR that do not
> belong..................................

You and any three of your fiancee/fiance's fake IDs.

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(Msg. 6) Posted: Thu Aug 18, 2005 9:34 am
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You and any three of your fiancee/fiance's fake IDs.

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Do you know what you are talking about????Creedmore has an opening..ch
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Thu Aug 18, 2005 10:25 am
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I am most curious about seeing a production of Leone's L'Oracolo. It was a
fav of Antonio Scotti & recorded by Gobbi on London. The villain, a Chinese
named Chim Fenn (or something similar), gets strangled by his very own
pigtail at the end. Shades of Tabarro here.

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DonPaolo
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> Anyone? I know the term is actually quite a broad one these days but
> taking what we generally accept to be in the list....you may include those
> not "officially" branded verismo in your list too..
>
"MV" wrote in message

> Anyone? I know the term is actually quite a broad one these days but
> taking what we generally accept to be in the list....you may include those
> not "officially" branded verismo in your list too..
>
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(Msg. 8) Posted: Thu Aug 18, 2005 10:27 am
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Maybe Lauren Flanigan, or Fabiana Brava??

DonPaolo
"Handelman,one of the very few normal people here."
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>i WISH THEY DID MORE OF THESE..BUT A TINY NUMBER OF
> SINGERS..DIVAS...COULD DO THEM..Gheorghiu,Gallardo-Domas,...who else?
> Without Scotto,Zeani,Olivero,Soviero,etc.....it is impossible to do:
>
> Iris
> Zaza (Millo does it in NY in Nov.)
> Piccolo Marat
> Risurrezione
> Cecilia
>
>
> I love them...CH
>
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(Msg. 9) Posted: Thu Aug 18, 2005 1:22 pm
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Breaking News item:

>Creedmore has an opening..ch

Make sure to book a double-bed for you and your fiancee/fiance. Better
hurry.


LT
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(Msg. 10) Posted: Thu Aug 18, 2005 3:40 pm
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While I'm extremely interested in the lesser contemporaries of Rossini,
Bellini, Donizetti, and Verdi, I'm much less interested in the
contemporaries of Puccini. I could not care less if I ever heard
another note by Mascagni or Leoncavallo, his most talented
contemporaries, let alone Giordano, Cilea, Montemezzi, or Zandonai.
The music in Adriana Lecouvreur is so wan, anemic, and heavily perfumed
I don't see how it stands up and walks. On the other hand, I quite
like Catalani's Loreley and especially La Wally. Then again, I don't
think of Catalani as a "verismo" composer. He was a later scapigliato
following in the steps of Boito and Faccio, like them a Germanophile
Italian who loved his Weber: Loreley is a German myth while Wally is
set in the Tyrol. So Lamento di Federico and a few bits from Pagliacci
aside, the only "verismo" composers I like are Puccini and Catalani. I
do have a bit of a weakness for L'amico Fritz, and I think the title of
"I cavalieri di Ekebu" is rather marvelous.

-david gable
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(Msg. 11) Posted: Thu Aug 18, 2005 4:01 pm
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MV wrote:
> I have heard about this piece many times and it interests me too. I'm
> waiting for a recording of it by Sutherland) I would like to see it as a
> double bill with something lighter. So if we did it would you travel to
> London Don P? ;-)
>
The work is actually set in an opium den. Should be highly topical, I
would have thought.

And, if you're looking for something lighter, there's always The
Beautiful Galathea by Mr Suppe, a composer desperately in need of
revival on stage. What a wonderful score. I think he is the most
accomplished operetta composer I have ever encountered.

Kind regards,
Alan M. Watkins
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(Msg. 12) Posted: Thu Aug 18, 2005 4:03 pm
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david7gable DeleteThis @aol.com wrote:
> While I'm extremely interested in the lesser contemporaries of Rossini,
> Bellini, Donizetti, and Verdi, I'm much less interested in the
> contemporaries of Puccini. I could not care less if I ever heard
> another note by Mascagni or Leoncavallo, his most talented
> contemporaries, let alone Giordano, Cilea, Montemezzi, or Zandonai.
> The music in Adriana Lecouvreur is so wan, anemic, and heavily perfumed
> I don't see how it stands up and walks. On the other hand, I quite
> like Catalani's Loreley and especially La Wally. Then again, I don't
> think of Catalani as a "verismo" composer. He was a later scapigliato
> following in the steps of Boito and Faccio, like them a Germanophile
> Italian who loved his Weber: Loreley is a German myth while Wally is
> set in the Tyrol. So Lamento di Federico and a few bits from Pagliacci
> aside, the only "verismo" composers I like are Puccini and Catalani. I
> do have a bit of a weakness for L'amico Fritz, and I think the title of
> "I cavalieri di Ekebu" is rather marvelous.
>
> -david gable


It's all a matter of opinion, of course, but Adriana Lecouvreur is, I
have found, very popular with audiences. While I can see that you
might think it "perfumed" I don't think that wan or anaemic are words
that would necessarily come to mind. It's a lovely score to play:
quite subtle and beautifully orchestrated. I admire Cilea's
orchestration. He is also very considerate in not "covering" his
singers.

Chenier also works well on stage and I have found, over the years, that
they are quite capable of getting much more audience response than some
of Bellini and Donizetti.

Adriana is rarely out of the Prague repertoire because it's a known
crowd pleaser. Some years ago Ms Urbanova had some great successes
with this piece at the National Theatre. I do, however, appreciate
that it may not be for everyone.

Kind regards,
Alan M. Watkins
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(Msg. 13) Posted: Thu Aug 18, 2005 6:37 pm
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Score one for Tillman, lol.

-Ortrud Jones

Leonard Tillman wrote:
> >Pick the FOUR that do not
> > belong..................................
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> You and any three of your fiancee/fiance's fake IDs.
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(Msg. 14) Posted: Thu Aug 18, 2005 11:05 pm
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I have heard about this piece many times and it interests me too. I'm
waiting for a recording of it by Sutherland) I would like to see it as a
double bill with something lighter. So if we did it would you travel to
London Don P? ;-)


"donpaolo" wrote in message

>I am most curious about seeing a production of Leone's L'Oracolo. It was a
>fav of Antonio Scotti & recorded by Gobbi on London. The villain, a
>Chinese named Chim Fenn (or something similar), gets strangled by his very
>own pigtail at the end. Shades of Tabarro here.
>
> Regards,
>
> DonPaolo
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> From: "MV"
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> Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 4:16 PM
> Subject: Favourite "verismo" operas
>
>
>> Anyone? I know the term is actually quite a broad one these days but
>> taking what we generally accept to be in the list....you may include
>> those not "officially" branded verismo in your list too..
>>
> "MV" wrote in message
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>> Anyone? I know the term is actually quite a broad one these days but
>> taking what we generally accept to be in the list....you may include
>> those not "officially" branded verismo in your list too..
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(Msg. 15) Posted: Fri Aug 19, 2005 12:23 am
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Score one for Tillman, lol.


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